What Marvel Can Learn From Joker

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    Todays video takes a look at the Marvel Cinematic Universe and the newest entry into the DC film library... Joker. Despite the fact that Marvel films and Joker are nothing alike, I think that there is a lot to be learned between the two entities. I think Marvel has a unique opportunity to branch out and create something new.
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  • Key Issues
    Key Issues  Il y a mois +97

    Sorry for the re-upload, I forgot to include our sponsor, and I had to edit some elements bc Warner Brothers auto-claims all of our videos. Additionally, the main thesis of this video is to address how Marvel can expand the type of film they are consistently making to expand the genre. The goal of this video is not to "put marvel fans against DC fans." Lets all be mature in the comment section. Be cool to each other.
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    • Bivv93
      Bivv93 Il y a 2 jours

      Captain Planet, Swat Kats, Samurai Jack, Power Puff Girls, He-Man, Zorro.
      their awesomely animated movies & stunning video games should also be
      done best be collaboration of multiple studios so that viewers and video
      gamers can enjoy the best moments earlier.

  • Jobs mine
    Jobs mine Il y a jour

    I am no comic book fan, but DC/WB hands down beats Marvel in terms of original content creation. the MCU is always seems dumb to me.. like a movie for kids that looks like a theme park. Look at Joker, The Dark Knight, V for Vendetta, and Watchmen. Those movies I can sit down and watch them with thrill and talk about them after I go out of the cinema. They're just brilliant.

  • Restless Butter
    Restless Butter Il y a 2 jours

    Marvel hasn't been the same since Avengers: Endgame
    DC hasn't been the same since The Justice League

  • Harry Pothead
    Harry Pothead Il y a 2 jours

    Its gonna polarize the mcu shills,not normal fans.

  • TrekEZ
    TrekEZ Il y a 2 jours

    Joker is trash. 69%. pathetic. They only called it Joker to sell tickets. The Fake Mandarin is better than this incel joker

    • Anton A.
      Anton A. Il y a 2 jours

      It's weird to hear an MCU fanboy scold a studio for using character's name recognition to sell tickets while the MCU uses every cheap trick in the book to have their movies make as MUCH money as they can - mainly by pandering to China, which is the sole reason why IW and Endgame managed to outdo Titanic and Avatar. The fake Mandarin is a mockery of one of Marvel's most formidable foes, where once a scary villain was turned into a character who's most noticeable trait is his smelly fecal matter. Joker is a complex reinterpretation of one of DC's most iconic foes, that puts into perspective the question of what could've gone wrong to make someone like the Joker come to life. You can see which one is better just by my short description.

  • NBA FANBOY
    NBA FANBOY Il y a 2 jours

    Marvel is to Woke nowadays and will probably get worse

  • Jayden Lenzy
    Jayden Lenzy Il y a 3 jours

    Marvel Studios doesn’t matter need to change or learn anything because they’re doing great with what they’re doing now.

  • Santa Clause
    Santa Clause Il y a 3 jours

    Let’s be honest the MC was fucking awesome especially endgame and infinity war I don’t think Joker how does the entire MCU the jokers I think the best DCEU movie though

  • Santa Clause
    Santa Clause Il y a 3 jours +1

    Marvel needs to make a dark stand alone movie
    HOW ABOUT THANOS OWN MOVIE nebula and gamers would be in it also Thanos followers
    Should be really dark and have a good message

  • Makiba Uboke
    Makiba Uboke Il y a 3 jours +1

    After the Killmonger character on Black Panther's story now many comic characters will have human backstory that people can relate to. Injustices that drive people to become or do harm like serial killers.

  • Low Spec Player
    Low Spec Player Il y a 3 jours

    Only one way to solve mcu problems : Get out from Disney

  • Miguel Garcia
    Miguel Garcia Il y a 3 jours

    This movie reach 1billion on the box office.

  • Nicolas S.
    Nicolas S. Il y a 4 jours

    The way Disney has done movies with Marvel characters, it will never allow them to go in "depth" with their stories. MCU is a comic book universe, nothing more than that. There was never the intention to create something like Batman TDK and we can't blame them for that.

    But that's actually the reason why I love Batman TDK and now, I also love Joker more than any other "superhero movie". Neither are superhero movies. Cause these movies are more drama / thriller than actual comic book movies. Take all the comic book elements and put regular characters and both movies would be still decent enough to not go unnoticed.


    The one Marvel movie that I always really liked and felt it was close to a (not so)comic book movie is Captain America : Winter Soldier. Despict all the comic book elements, It is more a spy trhiller movie than your average Marvel movie.


    That's why I think this genre has potential, but only when directors actually try to go in depth and actually have something to say, and not just create another "money grab" movie. Of course, even if that happened, I don't think a comic book movie would be equal to original movies like... Well, insert any every masterpiece that comes to your mind.

  • Beyond MYSTERY
    Beyond MYSTERY Il y a 4 jours +1

    next Marvel makes a movie and it will be smash hit
    Key Issue : What DC Can Learn From Marvel lol
    Your views changes every Friday dude

  • cross gordon
    cross gordon Il y a 4 jours

    Make the punisher in the same manner as Joker! But don’t just copy it, nobody likes contrivances lol

  • SYRE 2.0
    SYRE 2.0 Il y a 5 jours

    Logan is better than joker there I said it

  • john bines
    john bines Il y a 5 jours +3

    Your commentary is so contrived... there's room for all these movies...

  • Drooke
    Drooke Il y a 6 jours

    Jokers kinda just aight tho

  • Alfi Cammy615
    Alfi Cammy615 Il y a 6 jours +1

    Marvel villain tends to be so boring and not having enough character. The only Marvel villain that I think is good enough is obviously Thanos and Hela. But I think they can improve Hela a lot more but maybe because they are disney so it's a family movie. But thats DC big advantage over marvel they had really good villain and their stand alone film is amazing and I enjoyed more than marvel stand alone film but in term of cross over DC seems to be rushing it cause a story need a treatment to generate a good plot, character development and storytelling

  • Joe Greenwell
    Joe Greenwell Il y a 6 jours

    You mention "normalizing mental illness" and it feels like you are equating being mentally ill will being violent. Mental illness is an something that affects people in several different ways and here you seem to be simplifying it down to them being dangerous. This thinking is very bad for people who have mental illnesses that are just being villainized through thoughts like this.

    • DevDev
      DevDev Il y a 3 jours

      Joe Greenwell so basically you didn’t pay attention to the fact he was restating the statements the media has made about the movie. Cool

  • Gabe Floyd
    Gabe Floyd Il y a 6 jours +1

    Marvel: Makes epic movies for 10 years? DC's one good movie in a while: Let me show you the ropes... e__e

  • mike j
    mike j Il y a 6 jours +1

    Mcu will never do this they are too pg 13 kiddie and I'm sick of it

    • Captain Cybertron
      Captain Cybertron Il y a 3 jours

      Dude superheroes has always been meant for KIDS for years. Dark and edginess doesn't always mean good. Marvel does a damn well job of being serious/dark

  • the mad titan
    the mad titan Il y a 6 jours

    Just one joker movie comes and everyone's like, marvel is bad and needs to do that, seriously? They just had the biggest event in the history of cbm and they're taking a break to breath in, feige already said it that they are taking different paths, have patience guys.

    • the mad titan
      the mad titan Il y a 3 jours

      @DevDev can you write it down? Pls

    • DevDev
      DevDev Il y a 3 jours

      the mad titan formula I mean

    • the mad titan
      the mad titan Il y a 3 jours

      @DevDev what blueprint?

    • DevDev
      DevDev Il y a 3 jours

      the mad titan it makes people realize what comic movies can be. I believe joker is far better than endgame. Patience isn’t going to change the blueprint marvel uses for its movies.

  • Sage Agbonkhese
    Sage Agbonkhese Il y a 7 jours

    The only problem with this is that they didn't take Joker from the Comics. DC did a cover of Taxi Driver and you are giving them a medal? Yeah lets let Marvel do the MCU version of Forest Gump ....

  • john smith
    john smith Il y a 7 jours

    What Marvel can learn from Joker: Don't cast Jarred Leto
    Marvel: Casts Jarred Leto as Morbius





    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!

    • john smith
      john smith Il y a 4 jours

      @SYRE 2.0 I'm VERY familar with Jarred Leto. I loved him in Fight Club but that role didn't require much acting. He was decent in Dallas Buyers Club too but honestly didn't deserve an Oscar for it as that was more for political reasons. However the behind the scenes stuff with Leto makes it very clear most of the blame for how his Joker turned out falls on himself. He was an arrogant prick that wanted to be Joker for the entirely wrong reasons and never understood the character. He never understood the character and he didn't even understand the script which highlights that Jarred Leto is not a real actor but rather a musician with narcistic tendencies. To do Joker properly in that movie required something totally different to Heath Ledger but Leto tried to steal every scene he was in to the point the director felt he ruined so much of the movie and didn't use some scenes. Simply put Jarred Leto bitched and complained like a baby about the Phoenix Joker movie being made but facts are facts and Leto would not have been able to do such a performance. Leto has a very limited range as an actor and a character like Joker is completely out of his element.

    • SYRE 2.0
      SYRE 2.0 Il y a 5 jours

      But Jared leto can actually act he just had a terrible script go look at someone of his other films before judging him on just one

  • Ben Holme
    Ben Holme Il y a 8 jours +1

    Joker was fine , but I like Marvel Movies just as they are .

  • George Rust
    George Rust Il y a 8 jours

    Please! STOP saying that "JOKER" is that good of a movie! it was just a bunch of incoherent and boring compilation of scenes... Phoenix's performance was the only thing good in it, other than that, there's nothing. Take off the makeup and the name "JOKER" from the movie and it falls apart. Fanboys will never be good judging movies... Marvel doesn't make good movies either, but at least they are a bit funny... I'm not trying to say that it was a terrible movie, but it wasn't a really good one either, it is just an average comic movie... a little more boring than most of them...

    • DevDev
      DevDev Il y a 3 jours

      George Rust tbf I was 15 in those vids I have no fucking idea why my voice was so fucking high back then.

    • George Rust
      George Rust Il y a 3 jours

      @DevDev Is not the game, is the way that you speak that gives you away("tisk, tisk, tisk"...), that and the fact that anybody can hear your "kid voice" screaming on your videos. If you feel bad about it's not my fault. And don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with being a kid. But if you want people to care about what you say, you do have to mature a little bit. Have a good one.

    • DevDev
      DevDev Il y a 3 jours

      George Rust tisk tisk tisk. Salty over a comment. And for someone calling someone kid on the internet, only a child would care what game another person plays when it really doesn’t matter.

    • George Rust
      George Rust Il y a 3 jours

      ​@DevDev So... you don't even understand English... and want me to care about your opinion? Just keep playing Fortnite, kid.

    • DevDev
      DevDev Il y a 3 jours

      George Rust I agree, Joker is a very good movie. Glad we can agree about it.

  • ImASpookyAndroid
    ImASpookyAndroid Il y a 8 jours +1

    i really dont know if marvel can do anything like Joker. i dont know if there will ever be anything like Joker from another studio.

  • Luke_guwop On Instagram follow bois

    I would like to see a dark hulk movie

  • Youl get your rent when you fix this damned door !

    Marvel can literally never do anything like Joker. Their villains and characters in general aren’t deep enough. Most of them are one noted characters. Even if they did, you think the Disney overlord will allow directors to actually make an R rated movie, made by directors, and not by studios ?

    • DevDev
      DevDev Il y a 3 jours

      SYRE 2.0 it’s not even a movie, and I doubt Disney are going to start making dates r blockbusters

    • SYRE 2.0
      SYRE 2.0 Il y a 5 jours

      The mandalorian would like a talk with you and u couldn't be anymore wrong about one noted characters lmao

  • Luis Candy
    Luis Candy Il y a 8 jours +1

    Thing is that marvel movies have terrible tones. Nothing is ever serious for more than 4 minutes. A crappy joke or one liner is around every corner.

    • Captain Cybertron
      Captain Cybertron Il y a 3 jours

      Yeah I'm pretty sure there was a joke when Tony died and at his funeral. Ur forgetting that it makes them more relatable and human cuz us humans joke alot to

  • JiNzX115
    JiNzX115 Il y a 8 jours

    There is a fundamental difference between Marvel and DC in terms of writing style, format, tone, society framework, generally speaking. Asking Marvel to be like DC is like asking DC to be like Marvel, and it ended up like Justice League. Marvel should continue doing its thing in its own way like how it started, and DC should go with the Joker's standalone, V for Vendetta or Nolan's dark knight type of direction because they're made for this specific, designated role in entertainment and the superheroes genre. Telling them to be like each other is like telling one person to follow another person's footsteps and become like them. Let Marvel and DC be separately unique with their individual routes, as it makes perfect sense for the general audience to label Marvel as Marvel and DC as DC.

  • Conrado Javier
    Conrado Javier Il y a 8 jours

    I bet that Studios will Ripoff Joker in the next Decade.

  • S Morrow
    S Morrow Il y a 8 jours +1

    The reason Joker worked so well at doing what it did is precisely because it really truly was not a comic book movie. It was a CBM in name only, quite literally. And it can only and would have only worked as a solo standalone film, not as part of a larger multifilm universe. Also, my dude, it wasn't Fox News labeling the Joker dangerous while seeming to wait with baited breath for a shooting to occur they could pin on the film - not at all. That was all coming from woke critics and sites like Vox.

  • Caramel
    Caramel Il y a 8 jours

    thats why i loved the netflix marvel shows... then they got fucked

  • FilmKaar Production
    FilmKaar Production Il y a 8 jours

    LOGAN

  • FilmKaar Production
    FilmKaar Production Il y a 8 jours

    And what about series
    MARVEL. ( DAREDEVIL, PUNISHER JESSICA JONES)

  • FilmKaar Production
    FilmKaar Production Il y a 8 jours

    LOGAN

  • Brandon Martin
    Brandon Martin Il y a 9 jours

    Marvel can make a good carnage movie

  • A Cat
    A Cat Il y a 9 jours +1

    Marvel can sit back and take it, DC dark universe is going to hit the cinematic comic book market hard

  • Constantin
    Constantin Il y a 9 jours

    Nothing. The joker is trash.

  • Society Guy
    Society Guy Il y a 9 jours +1

    Marvel can never do anything like joker

  • Zenbeach Traveler
    Zenbeach Traveler Il y a 9 jours

    Marvel doesn't have a Batman!

  • Kealeboga MOLO
    Kealeboga MOLO Il y a 9 jours

    I'd love a Zemo movie

  • Brendan Partington
    Brendan Partington Il y a 9 jours

    Fisk was good, but by season 3 he had become incredibly redundant. This city this, this city that.

  • Reinfen
    Reinfen Il y a 9 jours

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  • Second
    Second Il y a 9 jours

    Neil "gahman"

  • Second
    Second Il y a 9 jours

    I'm sorry but the ridge wallets are definitely not the best minimalist wallets. They're kind of ugly tbh.

  • Shark Dude 7
    Shark Dude 7 Il y a 9 jours

    I think if there would be a so called “Joker Clone” or a villain type Marvel movie it should be about Zemo. I think he is the best MCU movie and could be developed further.

  • Niels Wuite
    Niels Wuite Il y a 9 jours

    Awesome Video :D
    Love your Analysis of the current Comicbookmoviegenre

  • Shadowwolf
    Shadowwolf Il y a 10 jours

    Also for the love of God leave your politics outside the movies. Captain Marvel was hit hard because SJW politics. You alienate your viewers that never goes well. Joker didnt force politics down our throats and just told a story thus it worked.

  • PD Zombie
    PD Zombie Il y a 10 jours

    Good video, but pointless... Until Marvel continues to be under Disney, they are never going to make films like Deadpool, Logan or Joker. Disney is a family oriented brand, Iger fired (or faked firing) James Gunn for some 10 year old tweets, do you really think they're going to put out an R Rated film?

  • LYRICS MANIA
    LYRICS MANIA Il y a 10 jours +2

    I see what you did there😂😂 just like joker movie you broke few points that we thought it was going to be and then you said wrong

  • Scribbling Joe
    Scribbling Joe Il y a 10 jours

    So long as Marvel/Disney keeps making money they will keep their formula.

  • Preston Hudson
    Preston Hudson Il y a 10 jours

    Lol, Joker being like a 6/10 film.

  • Anonymous G4mer
    Anonymous G4mer Il y a 10 jours

    1:50 suicide SQAUD?

  • DC Chronicles
    DC Chronicles Il y a 10 jours +1

    But, but Joker sucked. Hard. Just becausr its a "good" movie doesnt mean its a good Joker movies. Its bad.

  • Ben Perez III
    Ben Perez III Il y a 11 jours +1

    Marvel should learn to make movies with real substance

    • Cody Chase
      Cody Chase Il y a 9 jours +1

      Mcu movies are the best

  • Cringy Carlos
    Cringy Carlos Il y a 11 jours +1

    As much as marvel fan I am I gotta admit that joker was very refreshing

  • Cam M
    Cam M Il y a 11 jours

    alot of the issues for me are most mcu movies are pretty forgettable to me......only a few really stand out as memorable to me the 1st ironman,winter solider,gotg1 and infinity war.......also there is something to be said for not taking yourself to serious but marvel and more specifically the mcu takes it way to far its a problem when in ragnarock thor's friends die and the nxt minute its jokes etc....just don't feel much investment in what are essentially mostly fun and funny movies but ones that once there over that don't last in the consciousness.....joker is a movie built to last I think.