Marvel Champions Review with Bryan

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Commentaires • 64

  • Steven Simmons
    Steven Simmons Il y a 2 jours

    No clue how Captain America wasn't in the box as a hero :D

  • Tyler Brown
    Tyler Brown Il y a mois

    The art, from what I can tell, is from the comics more or less.
    For example, Iron Man's helmet is Salvador Larroca art from his run with Matt Fraction. I was pleasantly surprised when I saw it.

  • The Cryton Chronicles
    The Cryton Chronicles Il y a mois +1

    I just came across this review after discussing the game with a friend and finding an FFG article about it and I was curious, how many times was this game played before the review was made? While like another poster mentioned, the forgetting of the game's name was irksome to me, though there is the Contest of Champions (both mobile and board game) and I know it can sometimes be easy to mix names up (or hard to pronounce, same as developer/designer/etc names), so I blew that off.
    However, they seem to not know what heroes and villains are in included (granted once going over Iron Man shortly thereafter and seeing the other hero cards they were all eventually named off, but I think an unplayable villain was named? Is Yon-Rogg a villain set up?) From my understanding, there are only 5 heroes (Spider-Man, Captain Marvel, Black Panther, She-Hulk, Iron Man) and 3 villains (Rhino, Klaw, Ultron), but this was based off what a friend told me and what I recall from the article, not having the product right in front of me, so not knowing those seemed odd to me. And again, this is having limited info myself. Also, I don't count characters present as an Ally/Nemesis in decks to be seen as viable Vs. option. Vulture is only in the game when playing Spider-Man, as a/his Nemesis, so you couldn't say, play Vulture Vs Iron Man as a scenario.
    On that topic, I was confused when it was stated the game was more like a One-off comic of X vs X, but listed Captain America vs Killmonger. Captain America isn't included in the game as a playable character (except maybe as an ally or support card, as I've not seen the entire card list, but I feel that wouldn't count as it's not a scenario set up?), but will be in a Hero Pack down the road, yet I wouldn't associate it with the core set review myself. Spider-man Vs Doc Ock? Is that a playable scenario in the core set? It's in this part of the review where they mention "mashing up" your favorite heroes vs your favorite villains where I was curious it didn't trigger possibly forgetting how to even design your deck.
    I believe to even play the game you have to build a deck from a set of Hero-centric cards with a set of Aspect-centric cards (and maybe some neutral Basic cards) "mashed" together, a fairly popular mechanic(?). Those sets of Aspect cards (Protection, Aggression, Leadership, Justice) are a major part of the game, determining your role and how you play your character. In most reviews/scoring I'm familiar with, this basic set up would be explained. But also, "replayability" is an important consideration and these Aspect sets are a major component in facilitating that, along with enemy difficulty adjustments (which I believe were mentioned). Are Aspect cards not used during the Starter setup? I couldn't find any information on that.
    Lastly, I'm not sure why it seems more comparable to Legendary (aside from being Marvel?), but to be completely candid I've only played LotR and Arkham Horror LCGs once or twice each, so there's that. Most seem to feel it follows along the LCG iterations, but this is all personal perception too, so likely a moot point. I am just really into Legendary and didn't find it necessarily in that vein.
    I want to make sure to point out that I have seen previous videos by this reviewer that I enjoyed and believe they were accurate in explaining many elements of the game (including resource payment/usage, which someone claimed they erroneously described), but that maybe it was rushed? Maybe a little unorganized? I believe in a response they said they review upwards of 80 or so games a year and they don't extensively research a game before hitting the table. Yet some of these are basic gameplay components/elements/mechanics/etc that wouldn't require such efforts.
    And so I was curious given how many reviews they do in a year, how many plays of a game are done before giving a full review of it? Especially considering the fact that these reviews influence people buying (or passing on buying) said game.

    • The Latest Retro Board Game Show
      The Latest Retro Board Game Show Il y a mois +1

      Hey thanks for watching and these questions.

      Let me take these points one at a time.

      As far as the name, when I was rolling in the moment I forgot it the first time, and then from that point on it was more of a tongue in cheek call back because let’s face it, the name is super generic.

      Yon-Rogg is Captain Marvel’s Nemesis set of cards, but not an actual villain set up which is what I meant to imply sorry. The villains are the one’s I mentioned I believe elsewhere of Rhino, Klaw, and Ultron.

      As far as mashing up the hero X vs. X. Captain America has been announced for a while, and is mentioned in the rulebook too. In the final thoughts I mention that because it’s FFG (Not to mention the packs already announced) many more characters are coming so you’ll be able to play your favorites. Now that doesn’t mean that the core set includes them, but you do have to have to core set to play those.

      Now conversely the roles are very important, but these beginner decks are better off using the premade ones from page 21 for beginners and then diving full bore into deck building. That being said, the video would have been way too long to get in to that, but that does give me an idea for the future.

      As far as the comparison to Legendary, what I mean by that is that the decisions you make in game X in Champions don’t affect Game Y at all. Whereas in AHlcg that’s not the case at all. If something happens to a certain character in the first mission, then 6 sessions later you might find out that that one little action makes a huge narrative (and mechanic) difference.

      As far as the play count. I can’t remember how many characters and combos we tried, but I always come to a review feeling confident in my thoughts on a game and comfortable with my experience of it. I didn’t mean to give the impression that because I do a lot of reviews that when it’s in hand I don’t do my due diligence. That was in response to someone’s claim that I should have known about something coming in the future.

  • KSweeney36
    KSweeney36 Il y a mois

    I prefer beat your own score in solo games.

  • shatnershairpiece
    shatnershairpiece Il y a mois +2

    I don’t understand the appeal of these games. You try to beat the game. Where is the fun in this? The game doesn’t care if you beat it or not. This game costs about $70 and includes a couple of scenarios. Once you beat it, why would you ever want to play it again? Should you be proud of yourself for “beating” a game that doesn’t care about you? This is just another major scam from this company known for milking everything like an abused cow. I have to give them props for the audacity.

    • Scott Rock
      Scott Rock Il y a mois

      shatnershairpiece So no: Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Uncharted, The Last of Us, Tetris...

    • Bachir Messaouri
      Bachir Messaouri Il y a mois

      Really really strange comment.
      1) Where is the fun out of beating a game? Well, where is the fun out of beating any true human ?The game, as anyone keeps you busy in doing something you like doing. Period.
      2) Once you beat it why would you play it again ? Once you beat anyone, why would you want to play with them again? Once you beat a video game why would you play it again ? It's not a puzzle to solve. Beating it once doesn't mean you'll beat it every time. And the fun is not only about proving yourself you beat anything. The fun comes from playing.
      3) Proud of "beating" a game ? Are you proud of beating your wife or son or friend at a game? This has nothing to do with pride, whoever is your opponent. Moreover, being "proud" of beating "someone who cares about you"??? That is your motivator? What's wrong with you man, lol !
      Why the hell fun would be about beating someone who cares about you?
      Coop and solo games are just as entertaining as playing a video game where you beat the system and it is as much replayable and fun. Beating is not the main goal. Having fun is. Not beating a game or anyone doesn't make the session a waste of time as you got to be entertained for a while and that's the UNIQUE point.
      You lost me with this one as you seem to have your very own way of enjoying games that involves and mix up pride, beating and care.
      And the baffling thing is you think it's the norm.
      Not bashing you here, just being amazed by your comment and way of seeing things.

    • Melissa Belanger
      Melissa Belanger Il y a mois +3

      I take it you don't play many single player video games either.

    • STM
      STM Il y a mois

      What game has ever cared that you beat it? I don't understand what you're saying here.

  • Marshwiggle 82
    Marshwiggle 82 Il y a mois

    Thanks Bryan, you answered the question I wanted to know. I was looking for something a bit more story driven. I've been playing the LOTR card game released to steam and really enjoying that..... But their content is releasing too slow. So I was considering jumping in..... Think I'll pass.... Unfortunately, arkham horror is a bit of a pass thematically. Right now the only game I pull out to play solo is Robinson crusoe. (which I enjoy tons) hope things are going well.

    • B. C. Eckhoff
      B. C. Eckhoff Il y a mois +1

      They are releasing campaigns that will tell a story too.. just FYI..

    • The Latest Retro Board Game Show
      The Latest Retro Board Game Show Il y a mois +1

      Marshwiggle 82 I have heard from others on here though that more story based scenario boxes are coming.

  • Aaron Risinger
    Aaron Risinger Il y a mois

    Announced back in August but knows nothing about the hero inside the box or even the named the game. Doesn’t realize special resource cost is in card texts not at the top of cards. Couldn’t make it more then 5 minutes into this video.

    • KaLyTeBo
      KaLyTeBo Il y a mois

      The Latest Retro Board Game Show I think he’s trolling.

    • The Latest Retro Board Game Show
      The Latest Retro Board Game Show Il y a mois +1

      Aaron Risinger wait...are you punking me right now? Literally on screen at the 5:05 and 5:20 minute mark is a fan of cards with big numbers in the top left of each card. It’s also very very clearly noted on the rule book page I mentioned in the other comment. That is the resource cost to play a card.

    • Aaron Risinger
      Aaron Risinger Il y a mois

      The games not out yet to the public but the whole sets has been spoiled. Out of the first base set & two hero packs have yet to see a card in the upper left hand corner asking for a resource cost. Around the 5:20 mark of your own video. You video style isn’t my cup of tea. Have a good day sir. You friend 20+ years playing card & board games Aaron

    • The Latest Retro Board Game Show
      The Latest Retro Board Game Show Il y a mois +1

      Aaron Risinger page 11 Bold text middle of the page.

    • The Latest Retro Board Game Show
      The Latest Retro Board Game Show Il y a mois

      And no. I do 80 reviews a year so I don’t study each game intensively before they hit my table.

  • Magar6
    Magar6 Il y a mois +2

    Does the Dice Tower take any money/benefits from the publishers for shilling? I need to know whether I can trust their views, or if they are $hilling. Anyone know? In any case, why not just say at the beginning of each video: "We are paid by the sponsor"/We are not paid by the sponsor".

    • The Latest Retro Board Game Show
      The Latest Retro Board Game Show Il y a mois +1

      Magar6 hey no problem at all. I’m k sounds good. going to act like board game media isn’t a weird and confusing subject lol!

    • Magar6
      Magar6 Il y a mois +1

      @The Latest Retro Board Game Show Thank you for the helpful reply, and for taking the time to explain the position. It's clear now, thank you (and apologies for my aggressive tone before - I was in a very pissed off mood).

    • The Latest Retro Board Game Show
      The Latest Retro Board Game Show Il y a mois +3

      Magar6 it was the “$” that perturbed me. To answer your question, no The Dice Tower does not so paid reviews. They do paid Previews that are heavily heavily marked and notated to let people know that.
      As far as review copies, the Dice Tower receives hundreds of games every quarter. Some we review high and some get shredded to pieces. How we acquired them has absolutely no bearing on what review I give a game. I know that sometimes isn’t easy to believe, but there are too many games out there to worry about “pleasing a publisher” to get more games down the line. So even though Tom and others have said this, this question will still get asked in the future. Again go watch one of the videos where I shred a game (Subtext from Stronghold recently) from big publishers.

    • Magar6
      Magar6 Il y a mois +1

      ​@The Latest Retro Board Game Show​Another example: On Steam the reviews must declare "Did I receive this product for free?" They do this so that people can distinguish who has a vested interest to publish a positive review, and who does not.

    • Magar6
      Magar6 Il y a mois +1

      @The Latest Retro Board Game Show Apologies, I did not intend to make an insinuation. I only asked a question, and it was not focused on you. It was focused on the Dice Tower more broadly. My question is: Does the Dice Tower receive kickbacks from the publishers of board games? (By kickbacks, I am including this example: "Here is a product for free which I'm giving you to review). That is a form of sponsorship. Another form of sponsorship is the bank transfer).

  • esmeralda de vries
    esmeralda de vries Il y a mois +1

    I can't see the cards 🙁 You keep flashing them in and out of the shot. Also too much of a wide angle shot to actually see what you're talking about. Sorry, this video was too chaotic for me.

  • Victory Condition Gaming

    I’ll have to give this a play. Hopefully some of the folks around here will get into it so I can try it out with them first.

  • Loki Hve
    Loki Hve Il y a mois +2

    So how much do you like it exactly?

    • The Latest Retro Board Game Show
      The Latest Retro Board Game Show Il y a mois

      Loki Hve the actual number I gave it on The Dice Tower Site is 7. Pros are the action cons for me are lack of story so far.

  • Charles Halberstadt
    Charles Halberstadt Il y a mois +1

    I’m excited for this game. It’ll be my first LCG.

    • Charles Halberstadt
      Charles Halberstadt Il y a mois

      STM thanks

    • STM
      STM Il y a mois

      Ahh an LCG virgin. Well let me tell you as someone who's "been around the block" a few times, they can become addicting and will demand your money. My advice though is, if you're going to get the expansions, get them early. Once stuff goes out of print, there is no telling if it will ever come back and then you're left with price gouging on eBay.

  • J E
    J E Il y a mois +5

    LOTR and AH are not similar. Im confused why you think that. Marvel Champions seems more like an evolution from LOTR

    • The Latest Retro Board Game Show
      The Latest Retro Board Game Show Il y a mois

      J E oh no I do definitely agree with you that this is an evolution of LOTR as opposed to AH. I didn’t mean to imply that. I just meant that this benefits (like Lotr you are right for sure) from that jump in jump out ability.

    • J E
      J E Il y a mois

      The Latest Retro Board Game Show your totally deserving of having your own opinion. I just disagree. Marvel Champions strings the three campaigns loosely together in the scheme cards similarly to LOTR. My point ultimately is that this game is a clear evolution of LOTR and not AH LCG. Sure, there might be tiny aspects you wish to compare, but I’m commenting on your statement in the video that this was an evolution of AH. I disagree and I’m not the only one. Even Tom’s review stated this as well.

    • The Latest Retro Board Game Show
      The Latest Retro Board Game Show Il y a mois

      J E right but my point is that there is a loose narrative at least tying the missions together. Even the core box had that. This on the other hand doesn’t.

    • J E
      J E Il y a mois

      The Latest Retro Board Game Show Not gameplay wise. The story in LOTR is basically just thematic flavor. Each scenario is a brand new game that you can play irrespective of one another, with a brand new deck. The saga campaigns are slightly different, but campaign boxes are announced for champions as well. Marvel champions is the next iteration of LOTR.

    • The Latest Retro Board Game Show
      The Latest Retro Board Game Show Il y a mois +1

      J E because the missions do follow a campaign and a story. That scenario carries over for a couple of missions.

  • Atlas Films
    Atlas Films Il y a mois +1

    Jim Lee is actually responsible for some of the most iconic X-men designs. A lot of the stuff in X-men the animated series is based off his art; Gambit, Cyclops with hair, rogue with her green and yellow jumpsuit and leather jacket, etc.

    • STM
      STM Il y a mois

      @The Latest Retro Board Game Show
      Yeah X-Men vs Street Fighter and Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter are still two of my all time favorites. I have the Japanese games with a Japanese Sega Saturn and I still pull them out once in a while to beat down Apocalypse and Cyber Akuma :-)

    • The Latest Retro Board Game Show
      The Latest Retro Board Game Show Il y a mois

      STM makes me want to go play the Capcom fighters now too!

    • STM
      STM Il y a mois

      @The Latest Retro Board Game Show
      90's X-Men costumes are bar none the best. There is no comparison.

    • The Latest Retro Board Game Show
      The Latest Retro Board Game Show Il y a mois

      Atlas Films oh no doubt lol. The best X-men costumes are his in my opinion.

  • DukensteinA1
    DukensteinA1 Il y a mois +1

    I’m torn. Sometimes the narrative investment required from Arkham horror lcg and lotr are a little too much for spontaneous, casual play. But that narrative is the appeal to me. I may still give this a try.

    • B. C. Eckhoff
      B. C. Eckhoff Il y a mois

      They are releasing campaigns too.. just FYI..

    • Atlas Films
      Atlas Films Il y a mois +1

      DukensteinA1 well FFG has said they’re releasing big box campaign expansions for Marvel Champions down the road so you’d have the option between doing pick and up play less narrative games of Marvel Champions or playing a contained campaign game of MC which is likely more narrative depending on what mood you’re in.

    • The Latest Retro Board Game Show
      The Latest Retro Board Game Show Il y a mois +1

      DukensteinA1 it’s funny that you say that because I feel the same way. I’ve wanted to sit down and have an Arkham session many times but then Don’t because I think, “Wait what happened last time?” Whereas this is in and out.

  • Edwin Rivera
    Edwin Rivera Il y a mois +3

    I appreciate that’s this is good alternative to Arkham. FFG has been finally exploring the spaces it ignored back when they started this style of LCG co ops.

  • Andrea Gamer
    Andrea Gamer Il y a mois

    Siete dei grandi

  • Christoffer Thormann Jensen

    I really enjoy playing flip/roll & writes solo, just a short little puzzle for my brain, where I try to make the best options with what I'm given.
    Those I enjoy the most: Tiny Towns, Cartographers, Welcome To and That's So Clever.

  • Ryan Valdez
    Ryan Valdez Il y a mois +2

    Thanks for the review Bryan! Have you ever played Sentinels of the Multiverse? I've been hearing comparisons with this and Sentinels, so I'm wondering if you had thoughts on that.

    • Ryan Valdez
      Ryan Valdez Il y a mois +2

      @The Latest Retro Board Game Show ah, okay! I've played both of those, Sentinels a whole lot more. Sentinels really gives the feel you're your own hero, also with deterministic combat, but is a bit fiddly. This seems more streamlined.

    • The Latest Retro Board Game Show
      The Latest Retro Board Game Show Il y a mois +1

      Ryan Valdez I have never played it. I’ve seen a lot about it though. I’ll have to try it and compare. Maybe a triple threat review with this and legendary.

  • Adam White
    Adam White Il y a mois +1

    Really looking forward to this one

  • Johnny Gonzalez
    Johnny Gonzalez Il y a mois +6

    I'll stick with Marvel Legendary

    • STM
      STM Il y a mois

      Funny you say that. I feel that Legendary has basically jumped the shark at this point. Legendary is in desperate need of a core box reboot to get it more in line with the rest of the expansions, both in terms of mixing up the art for the heroes and the power creep that happened later for all the masterminds. There is nothing else really to be added to legendary. There are thousands of cards with dozens and dozens of masterminds to fight and heroes to choose from.
      I'm excited for champions because it has much more of a thematic feel to it. You are playing AS the hero's themselves rather than some vague, nebulous entity recruiting hero powers to fight villains. I really do like the villain track from legendary though, and I wish champions had something like that in its design.

    • Justin Hoffee
      Justin Hoffee Il y a mois

      Johnny Gonzalez because it is pretty obvious what you’re inferring. If you’d like to elaborate on your statement to eliminate the confusion please do.

    • Johnny Gonzalez
      Johnny Gonzalez Il y a mois

      I have no clue why everyone thinks I said they were similar. I just said I'll stick with Marvel Legendary.

    • B. C. Eckhoff
      B. C. Eckhoff Il y a mois

      Or you could play both since they’re totally different games......

    • Soccer67
      Soccer67 Il y a mois +2

      Based on the review, they seem VERY different.