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  • To punt is to give up, and in the 21st century, NFL teams have given up nearly 50,000 times. Most of those punts were reasonable decisions. But a few were so cowardly, and in such defiance of all reason, that they must not be forgotten. In this episode of Chart Party, it’s our mission to find them.
    CORRECTIONS:
    3:43 - I misread this line. The rule was changed prior to the 2016 season.
    6:08 - Fig. 2 lists 46,290 punts as opposed to the 46,377 punts claimed by the original chart -- a discrepancy of 87. The higher number was found through the Pro-Football-Reference.com Play Index, which is highly accurate but not completely perfect -- for example, it classified a few plays as punts that were actually passes. I manually removed as many as I could find, especially the outliers, but there are still a few hiding in there. The lower number was found by the listed NFL season totals. Since I also found the touchdowns, field goals, et al. in this manner, I decided to leave the punts total intact so as to keep the ratio consistent.
    8:39 - Specifically at the opponent’s 25-yard line, you’ll notice that there’s a significant decline in the green “go for it” total. This data was found through Pro-Football-Reference’s Game Play Finder. Since this tool only returns 500 plays at a time, I had to pull the 46,000-plus punts through a series of smaller searches. This gave me just 39 “go for it”s at the opponent’s 25; however, if I ran the search in a different sequence, it gave me a more expected total of 111. For reasons I can’t explain, this discrepancy only shows up exactly at the opponent’s 25. Rather than patching in this total, I decided to leave the chart as is so as to preserve its consistency, but the actual total is likely closer to 111 than 39. The Game Play Finder is like an F1 car: it’s very powerful, but it has to be handled very carefully.
    9:45 - This was Hekker’s gross punting average. I probably should have used his net punting average instead, which is closer to 40 than 45.8.
    10:50 - A bit of a miscalculation on my part. In the 21st century overtimes have occurred once every 539 games, not once every 483 games.
    12:00 - We believe there’s an error in the play-by-play report. This play likely occurred near the beginning of the fourth quarter, not the end of the third.
    31:01 - The third Dolphins drive is slightly misplaced; it’s a few yards off from where it should be.
    36:07 - These two field goal attempts are shown in the wrong order. The Steelers’ attempt should be on the left side of the screen, and the Falcons’ on the right.
    36:19 - This chart title should read, “with five or fewer seconds left in the half or game.” Plays at the end of the second quarter were included in this sample. Additionally, hail marys as defined here are even more rare than I claimed: four plays found their way into the sample that were actually turnovers that resulted in touchdowns in the other direction. Hail mary touchdowns are actually 12-for-780 in this sample, not 16-for-780.
    39:08 - I misspoke. These two punts came on fourth and 11, not fourth and 13.
    40:31 - I can't believe I did this. The Bills are not Buffalo's only major pro sports team. I forgot about the NHL's own Buffalo Sabres. Sincere apologies.

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  • SpyCzech
    SpyCzech Il y a 15 heures

    I think that number comparison at about the 35:30 mark is a flawed thought. Only looking at the overall average for scoring on a certain yard line ignores all situation and strategy; that statistic isn't even looking directly at overtime play, where the odds certainly change.

  • PeytTheGreat
    PeytTheGreat Il y a jour

    How did it take FRclip a month to suggest this?
    Shame.
    Shame on FRclip.

  • Jack Roberts
    Jack Roberts Il y a jour

    This is too long. Get to the punt in question!

  • Arron Kruse
    Arron Kruse Il y a jour

    jon bois is my hero

  • Michaelfh 570
    Michaelfh 570 Il y a 2 jours

    Did I just watch nearly an hour of this yes yes I did

  • Chris Conway
    Chris Conway Il y a 2 jours

    40:36 Buffalo Sabres?

  • Abdel Nader
    Abdel Nader Il y a 2 jours +1

    This video is great Jon, but why won't anyone recognize me as the best NBA player ever?

  • Dan Cicala
    Dan Cicala Il y a 3 jours

    I know you hate overtime punts so much that you may be blinded to reason, but the new rule quirk around sudden death on the first possession changes things a bit. A FG on the first possession doesn't necessarily win the game for you, but having the same end result of the next drive would win it for you. It's like if you could save a FG opportunity for your second possession, there's an extra win condition in it for you.
    That was essentially the logic behind at least one of those top 10 punts (Cowboys @ Texans). Win the field position battle, get the ball back in favorable position, go win with a FG. A mathematical analysis of that one call in particular concluded that it was a very slightly bad punt, slight enough that it could be swayed by other factors (eg: the pre-Amari Cooper Cowboys couldn't score a TD to save their lives, the Texans front 7 was stout, it was really 4th and 1.5, the strength of the Cowboys lay in their defense and even their punter who rarely has touchbacks, etc).
    It also may just be a matter of taste, but I would not give a lower multiplier to teams punting when down by multiple scores. There's few things worse to me than the punt on 4th and 5 when down 17 late in the 3rd quarter. Maybe it's everyone's nonchalance, the fact that a broadcaster has never used that as their chance to get up on a soapbox about gutlessness and giving up and the fans are only half watching anymore. Risk aversion is one thing; just straight giving up with 1/3rd of the game left to go infuriates me.

  • biteddybear w
    biteddybear w Il y a 3 jours

    Catching this a bit late but gotta say, absolutely love the video. Getting hit with so many statistics was and facts was awesome!

  • Jack Valentine
    Jack Valentine Il y a 3 jours

    17:43 it's because if a team is farther away from a 1st down marker, it means that they may be just out of field goal range.

  • MrSaxobeat
    MrSaxobeat Il y a 4 jours

    19:33 Bangladesh alert!

  • REBL Assassin
    REBL Assassin Il y a 4 jours

    I would like to know which of the big 4 championships is statistically the hardest to win from season opener to championship final.

  • Perkaholic
    Perkaholic Il y a 4 jours +1

    I’m surprise it wasn’t Jason Garrett. I swear he’s punted on a 2nd and goal before

  • DjPyro2010
    DjPyro2010 Il y a 5 jours

    The music at 29:40 is awesome

  • Lance Mattingly
    Lance Mattingly Il y a 5 jours

    Hekker is the undisputed 🐐 punter

  • Kenny Something Whatever
    Kenny Something Whatever Il y a 5 jours

    Also, because punting is stupid. Your answer

  • aegisofhonor
    aegisofhonor Il y a 5 jours

    I just saw the "saddest punt in the world" pooch kick, it pinned the Lions into the 7, the commentators called it "a smart play". The lions went 3 and out made what could be described as one of the best punts for distance that season, but the Vikings ended up scoring a field goal and a touch down later, intercepting the final pass of the Lions and ending the game with a WIN for the Vikings. Sorry, a punt that ends up giving you superior field position that factors into you winning the game can not be the worst punt in history.

  • mj e
    mj e Il y a 6 jours

    Do you even math?

  • Lewis Milun
    Lewis Milun Il y a 6 jours

    "I'm Umsubscribing" -Jon Bois 27:11

  • Zachary Reichert
    Zachary Reichert Il y a 6 jours

    Ahh, of course my Vikings have the saddest punt ever. Oh Childress.

  • Tyler Aven
    Tyler Aven Il y a 6 jours

    I did notice one problem. Around the 5:30 mark, when you talk about first downs as checkpoints, you explain them as if the checkpoints are standard and not movable depending on where the set of downs starts.

  • Mr. IV AKA Mr. Leafeon!
    Mr. IV AKA Mr. Leafeon! Il y a 6 jours

    I literally use this to fall asleep to now. Thanks!

  • Trainmaster98
    Trainmaster98 Il y a 6 jours

    19:17 "Who were you?" 19:31 "Bangladesh"

  • jsheff7
    jsheff7 Il y a 6 jours +1

    40:30 not their only pro sports team

    • dan fred
      dan fred Il y a 6 jours

      Right?? Can't believe he forgot about the Buffalo Fighting Chrimbus.

  • Itay Maoz
    Itay Maoz Il y a 7 jours

    What is the least sad punt?

  • SmokyHillTV
    SmokyHillTV Il y a 7 jours

    I want a coffee table of that first punt graph

  • Tina Valencik
    Tina Valencik Il y a 7 jours

    That intro reminded me of glass in minecraft

  • Robert Hendrickson
    Robert Hendrickson Il y a 7 jours

    Outstanding work. The depth of investigation, the disdain for poor decision making, an index of surrender...this video has it all. Thanks for all your effort.

  • Kboss 26
    Kboss 26 Il y a 7 jours

    Lol. Only the Lions could lose to a team in the same game that the other team committed the saddest punt of all time. (I’m a lions fan)

  • Musical Neighborhood
    Musical Neighborhood Il y a 8 jours

    Awesome Video. Curious though.. Do you ever take momentum into the stats? For instance in MLB if you have an early blowout and the other team keeps creeping back you can just feel that sucessful comeback. You can almost guarentee the comeback team wins. The players behavior also shows this on the field. The players just know... despite a losing score they know they will win and they do. The winning team is terrified despite a lead. Sometimes in a game you can feel the tide change. Despite the score fans and players can feel who will win. Momentum I would imagine would influence punts and cowardly play calling or the opposite. Despite the odds its a weird thing in sports. I would imagine it affects play calls and strategy a ton and causes weird stats in chart partys. Intimidation by another team or a past big play can influence alot. Imagine another Giants Pats superbowl.. The Pats would definetly do things differently because of the teams history despite being the better team. If Eli gets the ball with 2 mins left you could feel the fear the pats might have of a miracle happening some how.. They might make some crazy play calls..Love to see momentum analyzed here

  • Martin Kelly
    Martin Kelly Il y a 8 jours

    44:23

  • Hugh Notman
    Hugh Notman Il y a 9 jours

    40:30, Buffalo has more than one pro team. They have the Sabres in the NHL.

  • ARMTOAST
    ARMTOAST Il y a 9 jours

    18:03 finger eleven lmfao

  • Vishal Suresh
    Vishal Suresh Il y a 9 jours +2

    There should have been times 5 multiplier for losing by 1,2, or 3 points.

  • Scott Anderson
    Scott Anderson Il y a 10 jours +1

    No wonder the NFL likes kneelers.

  • Scott Anderson
    Scott Anderson Il y a 10 jours +1

    15:20 the spike at the 1 is for defensive PI in the end zone.

  • Nate Bonenfant
    Nate Bonenfant Il y a 10 jours

    Are the Sabres not a professional sports team?

    • Nate Bonenfant
      Nate Bonenfant Il y a 10 jours

      Oops read the description. You get a pass Jon.

  • Titus Weikal
    Titus Weikal Il y a 10 jours +1

    A new chart party!!!!! Is it christmas already?

  • Nibble Mcnibbs
    Nibble Mcnibbs Il y a 10 jours

    Wait wait wait. Did you say the bills were buffalo’s only pro sports team?

  • tckmiller
    tckmiller Il y a 10 jours

    Pulling out all the stops for this piece de resistance...unlike the teams in question.

  • 44regzula
    44regzula Il y a 11 jours

    Really curious, can you give me the surrender index score of a particular bad punt that is burned into my recent memory? Packers-Seahawks, 11/15/18. McCarthy punts with 4:20 left to go in the 4th, down by 3, 4th and 2 on their own 33. Also, where does this compare to all punts of 2018? Top 5 worst? Top 10 worst? This is the worst punt I can remember, and as a Packer fan had me screaming at the TV; take the ball away from (arguably) the most clutch player in the NFL and punt it to an offense that's scored on the previous 2 drives. It was time for McCarthy to be fired.

  • Tanner Mearns
    Tanner Mearns Il y a 11 jours +7

    The Bills are the City of Buffalo's only pro sports team? (40:35) what are the Buffalo Sabres then?

    • Rae
      Rae Il y a 13 heures

      bonnie duncan I want to meet those people and smack them. Hockey players have to have the toughness of football players, the finesse of basketball players and the strength and precision of baseball players. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Hockey is dope.

    • bonnie duncan
      bonnie duncan Il y a 7 jours

      Tanner Mearns - a lot of people don’t put the national hockey league on the same level as baseball, football, or basketball...they see it the same way they see major league soccer...

  • Caden K
    Caden K Il y a 11 jours

    Of course the lions lost. *Of course*

  • Sensei DoubleCup
    Sensei DoubleCup Il y a 12 jours

    What software do you use to make these kinds of videos? Amazing amazing amazing work.

  • Bakorafanboy13
    Bakorafanboy13 Il y a 12 jours

    I feel like there’s a lot of different factors that could go into the surrender index, perhaps efficiency of the offense or accuracy of the kicker
    You could put the cutoff at when the frequency of field goals is greater than the frequency of going for it

  • Michael Gogick
    Michael Gogick Il y a 12 jours

    Never mind, I found it.

  • jtemps34
    jtemps34 Il y a 12 jours

    honestly cant believe i wasted an hour of my life for this lmao

  • James G
    James G Il y a 12 jours

    I'd rather toss off with sand and hand sanitizer than listen to this idiot.

  • Mike Barksdale
    Mike Barksdale Il y a 12 jours

    The Lions actually won something. Good for you, Lions.

  • Brian Butler
    Brian Butler Il y a 13 jours

    You've probably figured this out by now but you really need to turn up the gain when your recording. Or possibly edit the sound outside of your soundproof booth.

  • Parodies Nuts
    Parodies Nuts Il y a 13 jours

    My first city league punt went straight up high into the air, going against the wind. It carried it back behind the line of scrimmage for -6 yards. This was also my last city league punt.

  • Kyle Hanton
    Kyle Hanton Il y a 13 jours

    "The city of Buffalo's only professional sports team." So, Jon, I guess the Sabres don't exist?

  • Daniel T
    Daniel T Il y a 13 jours

    This was absolutely fantastic. Before I found Jon Bois, I had never thought I would be impressed by the careful cinematography of lots of charts and diagrams and such.

  • harry mack
    harry mack Il y a 13 jours

    This is not as good as y'all make it out to be very boring

  • Travis
    Travis Il y a 13 jours +2

    You should do a chart party about the charts that chart party make

  • Eric Sphar
    Eric Sphar Il y a 13 jours

    40:35 buffalo's only sports team? i mean the sabres suck but they're technically a professional sports team

  • Super_ Nerd730
    Super_ Nerd730 Il y a 14 jours

    I do not know why im watching this but its interesting lol

  • magicoA
    magicoA Il y a 14 jours

    This is a glorious return for chart party,well done Jon. Loved all of the music cues and dramatics.

  • Tombomb615
    Tombomb615 Il y a 14 jours

    Shot every time Jon says coin flip

  • Jade Fischer
    Jade Fischer Il y a 14 jours

    Jon Bois > Ken Burns
    Fight me.

  • Quinn Heller
    Quinn Heller Il y a 14 jours

    The man.
    The myth.
    The legend.

  • Trevor L
    Trevor L Il y a 14 jours

    This was amazing. Did he forgot about buffalo’s other pro sports team?

  • Nick Snider
    Nick Snider Il y a 14 jours

    keep up the good work jon, i love seeing a chart party in my feed!

  • Mike Bevi
    Mike Bevi Il y a 14 jours

    Thank you so much, this rubs all my spots.

  • Alex Davis
    Alex Davis Il y a 15 jours

    *Bill Belichick is interested*

  • Lab Phone
    Lab Phone Il y a 15 jours

    where did you get this data?

  • tiamta
    tiamta Il y a 15 jours

    I could watch Chart Partys all day long

  • snoopdawgproductions
    snoopdawgproductions Il y a 15 jours

    wow i suck at math

  • Declan Conroy
    Declan Conroy Il y a 15 jours

    Gotta do an analysis on the Cal/TCU bowl game. Probably the worst football game I've ever watched (only watched b/c I went to Cal).

  • ViZu Restart
    ViZu Restart Il y a 15 jours

    An hour long chart party!
    ...on football.

  • FF L
    FF L Il y a 15 jours

    I knew this video would be unusual as soon as you said “It’s a beautiful day in Seattle”

  • TCI Force
    TCI Force Il y a 15 jours +1

    More Jon pls

  • Andrew C. Neel
    Andrew C. Neel Il y a 15 jours

    The man, the myth, the legend: Jon Bois.

  • Joseph Wang
    Joseph Wang Il y a 15 jours

    At the beginning, the intro should also say turn up volume until you can hear the background music because: It's not Bois without it.

  • HoustonPlanespotting
    HoustonPlanespotting Il y a 15 jours

    Houston > Dallas

  • Kevin Sousa
    Kevin Sousa Il y a 16 jours

    Moments like 8:02 are what makes jon the best

  • David Steiner
    David Steiner Il y a 16 jours

    This is beautiful. This is art.

  • Ryan
    Ryan Il y a 16 jours

    The Bills are not the city of buffalo only pro sports team we have the Sabres 🤦‍♂️

  • Crow T. Robot
    Crow T. Robot Il y a 16 jours +1

    @SB Nation 12:59 Yes, we do, it is right here on youtube, the entire game, in fact. Additionally, it looked to me like it was an intentional pooch punt, also the refs made the wrong call, it was out at the 1.

    • Crow T. Robot
      Crow T. Robot Il y a 13 jours

      +magicoA I literally searched "2000 cowboys bengals saddest punt" and the very first result is the entire game. The video is titled "2000 Cincinnati Bengals @ Dallas Cowboys Week 11". There are several comments with the timestamp of the punt.

    • magicoA
      magicoA Il y a 14 jours

      Crow T. Robot whoa,what did you search to find it?

  • Stillouttolunch
    Stillouttolunch Il y a 16 jours

    Heck yeah! New Chart Party! Woo!!

  • Duncan M
    Duncan M Il y a 16 jours

    don't go changin'

  • Matt Wagner
    Matt Wagner Il y a 17 jours

    40:31 This is the city of Buffalo's only major sports team. TAKE THAT SABRES!

  • The left upright at soldier field

    I was bored and decided to calculate the highest possible surrender index score: a 4th and goal from the 1 while down by 1 possession with 1 second left in overtime. Of course this will never happen in a real game, but I wanted to take this to the extreme. The highest possible surrender index score is a whopping 1,625,631.63.

  • Jak of Hearts
    Jak of Hearts Il y a 17 jours

    really has that 90s feel

  • That Guy
    That Guy Il y a 17 jours +3

    Can’t believe I just watched a hour of maths while I’m supposed to be studying for a geography exam
    What is wrong with me??

  • James Pitoola
    James Pitoola Il y a 17 jours

    The impact of field position on the psychology of the opposing coaches and players is the confounding variable you’re missing. This isn’t a closed system of humans against statistics, there are a second set of humans also making equally illogical counter decisions.

  • thelinedrive
    thelinedrive Il y a 17 jours +2

    Umm Jon boi, love your chart party, but Buffalo has two professional sports teams. The Sabres and The bills

    • qmto
      qmto Il y a 16 jours +1

      Just be glad he even remembered the Bills exist.

  • Dylan Merritt
    Dylan Merritt Il y a 17 jours

    I don't really follow professional football much anymore, and this was still well worth my 50 minutes. Thanks!

  • Juan Cortes
    Juan Cortes Il y a 17 jours

    What’s the name of the intro song?

    • Jeff Jeff
      Jeff Jeff Il y a 14 jours +1

      I think it's Darude Sandstorm or something... idk

  • Nick Roth
    Nick Roth Il y a 17 jours

    Did I really just watch a one hour FRclip video about punting? Yup.

  • Josh Lange
    Josh Lange Il y a 17 jours

    Only Jon Bois can make an hour long video about punting stats and make it fascinating

  • Bordelll
    Bordelll Il y a 18 jours

    That was good, so good

  • Robin Daily
    Robin Daily Il y a 18 jours

    buffalo has the sabres (nhl) as well

  • ByloBand
    ByloBand Il y a 18 jours +1

    Special thanks Ric Flair?!

  • CinemaDemocratica
    CinemaDemocratica Il y a 18 jours

    "It's impossible to have a fourth and one from inside the nine."
    Nope. It's impossible to have a fourth AND NINE from inside the nine.

    • CinemaDemocratica
      CinemaDemocratica Il y a 17 jours

      Wait, we're talking deep in your own end -- that's not how I heard *or* saw that portion of the video, but obviously in you're own end he's right. I love Jon, but the chart at the heart of this Chart Party leaves a lot to be desired in terms of clarity.

    • Dustin Stephens
      Dustin Stephens Il y a 17 jours

      Let's say you're on the 5. If it's 4th and 9 that means the 1st down marker is at the 14, you started at the 4.
      Still on the 5, but now it's a 4th and 1. This would put the 1st down marker at the 6, which would mean you started in your endzone. That's impossible.

    • Dustin Stephens
      Dustin Stephens Il y a 17 jours

      You're wrong. He's right.

  • Kenny Lofton
    Kenny Lofton Il y a 18 jours

    40:31 You forgetting about the Buffalo Sabres?

  • Mike Kretz
    Mike Kretz Il y a 18 jours

    Sabers

  • TheNaturalnuke
    TheNaturalnuke Il y a 18 jours

    All these punts were sacrifices to draw mercy from the gods of football.

  • GamingWithFun15 / GamingWithFunOffline

    You know that feeling when you believe something but someone else has such a good opinion you switch your mind, you know that feeling?
    That was me for the entirety of this 52 minutes

  • Miguel Appleton
    Miguel Appleton Il y a 18 jours

    I crave these videos