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  • To punt is to give up, and in the 21st century, NFL teams have given up nearly 50,000 times. Most of those punts were reasonable decisions. But a few were so cowardly, and in such defiance of all reason, that they must not be forgotten. In this episode of Chart Party, it’s our mission to find them.
    CORRECTIONS:
    3:43 - I misread this line. The rule was changed prior to the 2016 season.
    6:08 - Fig. 2 lists 46,290 punts as opposed to the 46,377 punts claimed by the original chart -- a discrepancy of 87. The higher number was found through the Pro-Football-Reference.com Play Index, which is highly accurate but not completely perfect -- for example, it classified a few plays as punts that were actually passes. I manually removed as many as I could find, especially the outliers, but there are still a few hiding in there. The lower number was found by the listed NFL season totals. Since I also found the touchdowns, field goals, et al. in this manner, I decided to leave the punts total intact so as to keep the ratio consistent.
    8:39 - Specifically at the opponent’s 25-yard line, you’ll notice that there’s a significant decline in the green “go for it” total. This data was found through Pro-Football-Reference’s Game Play Finder. Since this tool only returns 500 plays at a time, I had to pull the 46,000-plus punts through a series of smaller searches. This gave me just 39 “go for it”s at the opponent’s 25; however, if I ran the search in a different sequence, it gave me a more expected total of 111. For reasons I can’t explain, this discrepancy only shows up exactly at the opponent’s 25. Rather than patching in this total, I decided to leave the chart as is so as to preserve its consistency, but the actual total is likely closer to 111 than 39. The Game Play Finder is like an F1 car: it’s very powerful, but it has to be handled very carefully.
    9:45 - This was Hekker’s gross punting average. I probably should have used his net punting average instead, which is closer to 40 than 45.8.
    10:50 - A bit of a miscalculation on my part. In the 21st century overtimes have occurred once every 539 games, not once every 483 games.
    12:00 - We believe there’s an error in the play-by-play report. This play likely occurred near the beginning of the fourth quarter, not the end of the third.
    31:01 - The third Dolphins drive is slightly misplaced; it’s a few yards off from where it should be.
    36:07 - These two field goal attempts are shown in the wrong order. The Steelers’ attempt should be on the left side of the screen, and the Falcons’ on the right.
    36:19 - This chart title should read, “with five or fewer seconds left in the half or game.” Plays at the end of the second quarter were included in this sample. Additionally, hail marys as defined here are even more rare than I claimed: four plays found their way into the sample that were actually turnovers that resulted in touchdowns in the other direction. Hail mary touchdowns are actually 12-for-780 in this sample, not 16-for-780.
    39:08 - I misspoke. These two punts came on fourth and 11, not fourth and 13.
    40:31 - I can't believe I did this. The Bills are not Buffalo's only major pro sports team. I forgot about the NHL's own Buffalo Sabres. Sincere apologies.

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  • Daniel Steel
    Daniel Steel Il y a 19 heures

    Volume is weak.

  • AliasUndercover
    AliasUndercover Il y a 20 heures

    Good ting computers have gotten so fast. 20 years ago this would have taken a year.

  • ナナシさん
    ナナシさん Il y a jour +1

    Fig. 4
    Ric Flair
    I died

  • BlindEarth80
    BlindEarth80 Il y a jour

    8:01 is the greatest thing I've ever seen. I just thought that picture of Earl Hebner checking a submission hold between Bret Hart & Ric Flair was a subtle reference to the spoken topic of giving up. Maybe it just didn't look right at the time because Flair was on the receiving end, but 10 minutes later, when viewing Fig. 10 "Fing." 11 and Fig. 12, it finally occurred to me that it was Figure 4.

  • Brendan Bray
    Brendan Bray Il y a jour

    Football is essentially a war of yards

  • Fif Gallag
    Fif Gallag Il y a jour +2

    I could do with an explanation of what punting is
    Edit: thank you!

  • William Cox
    William Cox Il y a 2 jours

    Not sure if you forgot about the Buffalo Sabres or were just slamming them to the highest degree by calling the Bills Buffalo's only sports franchise.

    Also: I see that Fing. 11 gag, you cheeky man you.

  • Caleb Ramsier
    Caleb Ramsier Il y a 3 jours

    I think it means that after a team does something really stupid by performing a very sad punt they have a higher likelihood of wising up, taking good risks, and winning. You know the whole learn from your mistakes nonsense.
    Also punting feels bad. Maybe those teams that punted so sadly felt so badly that their depression fueled them to win.
    Idk much about football, just some psychology is all.

  • steve roberts
    steve roberts Il y a 4 jours

    Maybe the fact that these coaches made such pathetic surrenders rallied their teams to win in spite of it?

  • KOB
    KOB Il y a 4 jours

    Winner

  • Grammar Nazi
    Grammar Nazi Il y a 4 jours +1

    19:32 Banglasdeshi flag

  • PFunk _
    PFunk _ Il y a 4 jours

    This reminds me a lot of emplemon’s style, although I’m sure he’d dislike a sports video associated with him. However, this video was so intriguing and well-structured and well-researched, especially for a non-sports follower. A year ago, I would’ve never watched an hour long football video. I love how this video isn’t “WORST PUNTS COMPILATION”, but rather “A structured analysis of the worst conceived punt in the 21st century”. The intellect involved in the fruition and construction in this video is extremely impressive. Passion and drive were huge factors in this documentary. A thumbs up from me.

  • couples63
    couples63 Il y a 5 jours

    This is the saddest video in the world !!!

  • Alex Snitzer
    Alex Snitzer Il y a 5 jours

    What? I can understand you not supporting RGB SCART, but to not support DisplayPort is a crying shame.

  • Nolanator7
    Nolanator7 Il y a 5 jours +2

    GO PACK GO!!! TRAMON WILLIAMS!!! I’m so glad that my great organization took a machete and just gutted the pooch punt from existence

  • Joshua Stern
    Joshua Stern Il y a 5 jours

    Wow that was the most unexpected plot twist ever

  • The Boss
    The Boss Il y a 5 jours

    It is ironic that in a video critiquing cowardice- you refuse to even say a name because of your own cowardice.
    You can try to play it off but you look foolish.

  • Blaine Wells
    Blaine Wells Il y a 5 jours

    "and now you've seen 50k punts. congrats and im sorry" got me... i died.

  • dogboyfilm
    dogboyfilm Il y a 5 jours

    What a rollercoaster of emotions

  • Cole Park
    Cole Park Il y a 6 jours

    4:26 Hah, I have no knowledge of sports nor do I follow them, but here I am watching this stuff. Somehow your presentations of this data are fascinating xD

  • Glytchi Dolphin
    Glytchi Dolphin Il y a 7 jours

    5:05 For someone with ADHD, this is hell.

  • Glytchi Dolphin
    Glytchi Dolphin Il y a 7 jours

    5:05 For someone with ADHD, this is hell.

  • Ryan Smith
    Ryan Smith Il y a 7 jours

    Buffalo has two pro teams: the Bills and the Sabres. Maybe that was just a joke about the state of pro-sports in Buffalo. If that was, indeed, the case, well played.

  • Vincent Gallagher
    Vincent Gallagher Il y a 8 jours

    Can you do a story on the Creation of the 1988 Men’s Olympic Basketball team? The first amateur team to not win the Gold medal and lead to the creation of the 1992 dream team? The 88 team got Bronze. They were pretty good for amateurs.

  • Alec Boyd
    Alec Boyd Il y a 8 jours

    @19:38 Insert matrix binary zoom animation*

  • Drevyek
    Drevyek Il y a 9 jours

    "Buffalo's only pro sports team"
    Gotta get that dig in on the Sabres

  • Andreas Stjerneklar Kristensen

    you say misuse of algebra, i say the best demonstration of how you can use algebra to do something interesting.... despite never having watched a (complete) game of american football.
    also very candid about biases, which i'm cool with under exactly that condition.

  • Zachary Brown
    Zachary Brown Il y a 10 jours

    Saddest punt I’ve ever witnessed was when i was in 7th grade as a jr. midget in pop warner our qb/punter booted a -12 yard punt from around our own 40 or so.

  • John
    John Il y a 10 jours

    Need a special nod to Joe Theismann's 1 yard punt back in 1985...

  • nagahide1313
    nagahide1313 Il y a 10 jours

    Oh man that production value!

  • cCurator
    cCurator Il y a 10 jours

    Why can't all "top 10" videos on FRclip be this good?

  • #1 Fragi Fan
    #1 Fragi Fan Il y a 10 jours +5

    Jon Bois- Someone punted on the 24. Trust me, there's an explaination.
    Me: HOW CAN THERE POSSIBLY BE AN E- _oh its the Bengals, carry on_

  • Sylvanmean
    Sylvanmean Il y a 10 jours

    what software does he use to make these beautiful graphs? ;.;

  • 15callaghan
    15callaghan Il y a 11 jours

    where is my alt content for football fans at 5.59

  • ed dale
    ed dale Il y a 11 jours

    53:46 "What does that mean?" Football is fixed.

  • quiz nos
    quiz nos Il y a 12 jours

    Absolutely outstanding piece of work.

  • Taylor Savoie
    Taylor Savoie Il y a 12 jours +1

    2019 and Jonbois is still filming in 480p lol. Surely SBNation could give you a beetter Camera but I feel like you don't mind either way xD

  • Alex -
    Alex - Il y a 13 jours +1

    50:41 1 year before we got AP too lol, we for sure would've gone for it then. I still can't believe how good he was rookie season.

  • Ratta Tooie
    Ratta Tooie Il y a 13 jours +1

    timesave: #1 saddest punt 45:23 . Vikings vs. Lions October 6th, 2006

  • L. Allen
    L. Allen Il y a 15 jours

    the year 2000 was not in the 21st century. the 21st century began on January 1st, 2001.

  • Joe White
    Joe White Il y a 16 jours

    Bartolo Colon.... there's so much good. 5'11" 285lbs. Played for so long. Number of doubles, but not triples. ...

  • Luke Shaffer
    Luke Shaffer Il y a 16 jours +5

    "Washington".
    Respect. It's the little things.

  • Gregg Cummings
    Gregg Cummings Il y a 16 jours

    its almost like teams that know they have a good defense dont have a problem with punting when they need to

  • Gregg Cummings
    Gregg Cummings Il y a 16 jours

    pop. filter.

    P-unt

  • cookiemunster27
    cookiemunster27 Il y a 16 jours

    This video is amazing.

  • Mic McDevitt
    Mic McDevitt Il y a 16 jours

    Fing. 11

  • crowtservo
    crowtservo Il y a 16 jours

    I think coaches are more willing to do the saddest punts because they believe that their teams are solid and strong enough to find some other way to win.

  • Jack Herke-Dennert
    Jack Herke-Dennert Il y a 17 jours +1

    for anyone who’s also a fan of Not The Expert: in his madden 18 best positions tournament when the long snappers punt in the 4th quarter, their surrender index score comes out to 3319.43. for those who don’t wish to go find it:
    • field position: +20% per yard after 50, 296.92 from 24, 18 yard line = 886.60
    • first down distance: 4th and 5, 40% off = 531.96
    • score of game: 13-12, losing by 1, 4x= 2127.84
    • clock: ((x*0.001)^3)+1 where x is number of seconds elapsed since halftime, 8 minute quarters, 2:18 left in 4th when ball snapped, 342 seconds = 1.56*2127.84 = final score of 3319.43
    here’s the link: frclip.com/video/vHBZCKRG9ww/vidéo.html, 11:50 time stamp to hear his hilarious commentary

  • Bruce Wank
    Bruce Wank Il y a 17 jours

    watching this as a Bengals fan was not very fun..

  • B T L
    B T L Il y a 17 jours

    Dr. Z would have watched this.

  • Howard Luther Gilson IV
    Howard Luther Gilson IV Il y a 17 jours

    I'd like to appreciate the amount of effort than foes into your videos, especially this one. And how using Google earth as a way to make videos is really interesting.

  • maskyschannel
    maskyschannel Il y a 17 jours +2

    17:37 'people punt when they're sad'
    an inspiring quote

  • Adrian Garcia
    Adrian Garcia Il y a 17 jours

    The ending!!!!

  • zubizuva
    zubizuva Il y a 17 jours

    What is Figure 11?

  • Logan Crawford
    Logan Crawford Il y a 18 jours +2

    when the music start playing 44.28 you know its something bad...

  • Jules Dascendis
    Jules Dascendis Il y a 18 jours

    how on earth do they make these videos

  • VeKtorVacuum
    VeKtorVacuum Il y a 18 jours

    If Jon keeps this up people will start having "Chart Party Parties".


    The drinking wild card word is Feral.

  • Matt Kahre
    Matt Kahre Il y a 18 jours +2

    Who else caught the Figure 4 Leg Lock @8:02?

  • mike is not a ike
    mike is not a ike Il y a 18 jours

    Buffalo also has a hockey team

  • roadhockey
    roadhockey Il y a 18 jours

    Punt Party

  • shookthees
    shookthees Il y a 19 jours

    0:30 Clearly this guy isn't invested in football much. If he were, he would understand why Chicago wouldn't "go for it" on 4th and 5, at +45, in the second quarter, against the 2015 Seahawks defense. This may also answer the reason he thinks SB53 was boring.

  • Geoffrey Moyer
    Geoffrey Moyer Il y a 19 jours

    27:08 bottom left corner perfection

  • Jesus Ramirez
    Jesus Ramirez Il y a 19 jours

    At 39:29 you call the Bills the Bears. Just pointing it out.

  • TheNumberQuelve
    TheNumberQuelve Il y a 19 jours

    "Here it is. The saddest punt of all time."
    *cue the epic hero music ensuing an ultra-exciting climax of the video*
    Jon's logic is beautiful.

  • KRISPIRACY
    KRISPIRACY Il y a 19 jours

    I'm not smart enough to understand this video... Watching it made me feel like I was back in High School. Only there is no one here to take notes for me!!!

  • Andrew Carroll
    Andrew Carroll Il y a 19 jours

    Dat FIG. 4 Figure Four tho'...

  • Jake Erickson
    Jake Erickson Il y a 19 jours +1

    In the playoffs when I was in high school. Our punter shanked one off the side of his foot, from our 20 yd line into a stiff wind and landed on the other hash at our 20, bounced once and was returned for a touchdown by the other team. Saddest punt I've ever been apart of.

  • Jeffrey Riddle
    Jeffrey Riddle Il y a 19 jours

    I can't believe how awesome this video is!

  • Dylan Winter
    Dylan Winter Il y a 20 jours

    Fig. 4 and Fing. 11... That killed me

  • Free Parking
    Free Parking Il y a 20 jours

    For the new ten minute overtime you can multiply the surrender index by 1.5 since it’s 50% shorter than the 15 minute overtime of the past to keep the same amount of punishment relative to the amount of time

    • Free Parking
      Free Parking Il y a 20 jours

      I should say that should be done to the equation that is used for “time of game” within the surrender index

  • chryco4
    chryco4 Il y a 20 jours +1

    Little did I know that this nearly hour-long video was just a set up for a dumb joke.

  • barnuner
    barnuner Il y a 20 jours

    A+ content

  • Nick Brennan
    Nick Brennan Il y a 21 jour

    39:30
    The BEARS?? You just said the right team seconds earlier!

  • Mat Turner
    Mat Turner Il y a 21 jour +1

    hey it's that guy who reminds me why I care about sports.
    I am so goddamn stoked to watch this

  • Erik Mclaren
    Erik Mclaren Il y a 21 jour +20

    "This is the city of buffalos only pro sports team" - 44:31
    the buffalo sabers are so easy to forget that people just do

  • billygowhoop
    billygowhoop Il y a 21 jour

    Isn't the ravens one a bit more forgiveable given the quality of their defense? Like I think their defense outscored the offense a majority of their games that season.

  • 2kburnett2k
    2kburnett2k Il y a 21 jour

    41:37 yeah but we won tho lmfao

  • Quentin Morris
    Quentin Morris Il y a 21 jour

    how is it logically impossible to have a 4th & 1 from inside the 9?

    • Quentin Morris
      Quentin Morris Il y a 21 jour

      +Chet Ubetcha thank you for this in depth answer. It makes more sense now! I couldn't picture it at first.

    • Chet Ubetcha
      Chet Ubetcha Il y a 21 jour

      My mistake. Technically, it's possible, but it's very rare, because in order for that to occur, you must first have the ball downed inside your own half-yard line in order to have a first down marker placed on the far side of the ten-yard line. You must then move the ball almost exactly nine yards; behind the 9.5 yard line would make it 4th and 2, but getting it to the ten-yard line would make it 4th and inches. The only two scenarios I could think of that could reasonably get these results are as follows; a perfectly-placed punt with top-notch coverage, downing the ball at the one-inch line (extremely difficult, since the width of a football is about half a foot), and the equally-reasonable option being a turnover on downs following a pass interference call in the end zone on the previous drive, which would require four straight zero-sum plays; a run that goes exactly back to the original line of scrimmage, an incomplete pass, or an intentional grounding call resulting in a loss of down. All three are extremely unlikely at the goal line. The odds of either scenario playing out in a game are less likely than your average special teams touchdown.

    • Quentin Morris
      Quentin Morris Il y a 21 jour

      +Chet Ubetcha I thought he was referring to the ball being within your own 9yd line? Because he is discussing where teams have punted from and no one has ever punted within the opponents 9 yd line because that is obvious field goal territory and is referred to as the down & goal.

    • Chet Ubetcha
      Chet Ubetcha Il y a 21 jour

      Because by NFL rules, 10 yards are required to be gained every set of downs to maintain possession of the ball. If you're at the 9 yard line, you can only go 9 yards further down the field, thus denoting a first and goal situation. Technically speaking, you can have one yard to gain on a set of downs starting from inside the 9, but you would refer to it as _n_-th and goal.

  • Jesse Crotts
    Jesse Crotts Il y a 21 jour

    This has to be the best made FRclip video ever made.

  • Ben Vincent
    Ben Vincent Il y a 22 jours

    as a western New Yorker i knew the Bills would make the top of this list we have been punting since Chan Gailey

  • Ben Vincent
    Ben Vincent Il y a 22 jours

    what program was this done in love the graphic representation of the statistics

  • Killian Smith
    Killian Smith Il y a 22 jours

    Following sports < just enjoying the maths

  • Robert Hart
    Robert Hart Il y a 22 jours +1

    It’s poetic that I watch this 54 minute video to find out my Vikings own the saddest punt in history

    • DEEP SOAK
      DEEP SOAK Il y a 21 jour

      This ain’t even a spoiler I ain’t even mad

  • Lucas Fabijanic
    Lucas Fabijanic Il y a 22 jours

    Oh lord,.(this is my first comment half way through the doc) Why do I love this?

  • Koko56
    Koko56 Il y a 22 jours +2

    these charts and graphics are actually incredible and why I watch these videos (plus Jon Bois' enthusiasm about things that definitely don't matter in the real world)

  • AAA Cameron
    AAA Cameron Il y a 22 jours

    this show is so '90s vhs tape i found in a box in the basement' i love it

  • Mystninja
    Mystninja Il y a 23 jours

    1st and goal. Punt

  • Ur Kryptoknight
    Ur Kryptoknight Il y a 23 jours

    Question? Has any team intentionally punted backwards(ie towards the opponents goal line)?

  • Lee Benter
    Lee Benter Il y a 23 jours

    5:34 second mark. Who doesn't love a jog through the woods on fire? Thank you thats was so subtly awesome.

  • Just Another Michigander
    Just Another Michigander Il y a 23 jours

    Because of course it was the Vikings who made the saddest pick, and of course they somehow still won. Never, EVER, bet on any team in the NFC North. You will lose, wether you say they lose or win

    • Mr. Gentlezombie
      Mr. Gentlezombie Il y a 22 jours

      Betting on the Lions to lose is always a safe bet.

  • Izren
    Izren Il y a 23 jours

    datto sent me here

  • wyanSS
    wyanSS Il y a 24 jours

    I thought the Mariners had the longest postseason drought of all professional sports?

    • Chet Ubetcha
      Chet Ubetcha Il y a 21 jour +1

      At the time, it was the Bills. That season marked the end of the Bills' playoff drought, which started in 1999. The Mariners' playoff drought, still ongoing, started in 2001 and has somehow survived seven seasons in which they have won 85 or more games.

  • Ignacio Arellano
    Ignacio Arellano Il y a 24 jours

    People punt when their are sad XD

  • Fireball Flareblitz
    Fireball Flareblitz Il y a 25 jours

    NEARLY AN HOUR FOR ONE PUN!?

  • ChrisS82
    ChrisS82 Il y a 25 jours +1

    The XFL will have no punt. I wish the NFL would get rid of it. Would make the game more exciting.

  • iron 13
    iron 13 Il y a 25 jours

    19:30 Bangledesh?

  • stealthturkey1
    stealthturkey1 Il y a 25 jours

    Even with the small errors, I loved this video. Excellent work.

  • TheBusinessMa
    TheBusinessMa Il y a 26 jours +1

    I'll go for it on this one. Why are these god awful punts (I'd agree with your Surrender Index with those being awful punts) end up with wins is because, in my theory, it shows the other team that you're done. The other team plays sloppy. A lot of those wins were from fumbles or interceptions or some other fault on the opponent, so the owners of these punts get some energy in them and they pull out a win.
    Though if you were to go through the punts that had a surrender index of 100+, I'd assume the overall record would be closer to 0.500, or even closer to 0.400 than 0.667. It might be an interesting follow-up to this 54 minute epic.

  • piponwa
    piponwa Il y a 26 jours

    What video editing software did you use?

  • Roger Carl
    Roger Carl Il y a 26 jours +5

    At about 14:00 you have a chart for where the ball is spotted for 4th downs and your theory was referees and such like to keep things neat. I have a different theory: receivers, when they go down field, need a natural reference and they gravitate towards the lines. There may be other reasons as well but I will gladly sit through a 54 minute video of you getting to the bottom of this.